User talk:Siskus
Hi Siskus, you seem to have annoyed REXX contributors. Could you answer their polite questions rather than just deleting them as I think they are worried that you will make further edits of the sort they would like to have a dialogue with you about. --Paddy3118 (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
P.S. There is also a question on the talk page of this page you created: Form:TaskImplmented. Could you have a dialoge about that too? Thanks. --Paddy3118 (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Annoying REXX contributors
Hi Paddy3118,
Congratulations you are the first inquirer on this page. Those gentleman are not so polite as you think. They are completely unaware about Wiki and Wikitext and even HTML is a struggling. They really think that they own the code that is committed. Maybe could you teach them a lesson about Intellectual Property under GNU. Furthermore they are so funny; they are the Statler and Waldorf of Rosetta Code and there pure monoglot contibution is a show called REXX. The right name for a dinosaur. :-)
Truly, you are first on this page, Have fun. --Siskus (talk) 20:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, some users on Rosetta Code have ongoing(!) difficulties with wiki formatting and, occasionally, ettiquette. They are not, however, habitually rude or obnoxious. They have also not insulted other users' wiki ettiquette while at the same time showing a total lack of respect for other users, their langauges and their code. You had one warning already. Because I simply don't have time to deal with the barrage of complaints I get about you (despite the complaintant's curteously acknowledging my lack of time and clearly extended execution of patience), and because you didn't seem to get the message the first time I banned you, I'm banning you again. This time, for one month. This *is* your final warning; if I have to ban you again for any reason, it will not be a temporary ban. Congratulations would be in order, too; in the seven-year history of this wiki, you would be only the second non-spammer I'd have ever felt the need to perma-ban. Please shape up. This wiki is fundamentally built on cooperation, congeniality and respect. If you cannot manage to imbue those attributes most of the time, or at least fake them, then there will be no place for you here. --Michael Mol (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- As for me I am truly shocked and appaled by this unbelievable reaction!
This is far off the behavior I am used to on this Wiki! Siskus, you need not respect REXX but at least stay awy from it! --Walterpachl (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, If you think that adding my request on your user page was inappropriate you could have told me (politely). (I apologize if this annoyed you.) Either there or on my user page or via email which you find on my user page. Permit my not sharing your kind of humor. --Walterpachl (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Walter,
At last you reached it, this discussions page. Q: Is that supposed to be a punishment, to stay away from that "Stick a fork in it, we're done" goings-on? (That phrase is essential code for the successful execution of the program. Deletion the phrase would ruined the program, I learned from an expert.)
Please keep off my user page and stay in your "own" REXX cellar. I must congratulate you that you have noticed the humor. We had a big laugh about it.
Have fun. --Siskus (talk) 12:12, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- A: Consider it a blessing (for you)
- B: Look for another expert! What she or he told you is rubbish
- C: Good for you that you can laugh. I can't
- D: You have still not answered the question in the Rexx solution to ranking languages by popularity (or removed the 'invalid' note you placed there. Would you be so kind?
- --Walterpachl (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Can I have your suggestion how to communicate properly and professionally? --Walterpachl (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
In case you "forgot":
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code/Rank_languages_by_popularity#REXX
--Walterpachl (talk) 12:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
flagging of REXX entries
(The following was deleted from Siskus' user page (and should've been posted on the Siskus User Talk page). For the posting to the wrong webpage, I apologize. If you had just made a note of it and transferred the posting here, it would've been appreciated.) -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Siskus: your numerous flagging of various REXX programs and/or section headers has been very disruptive and time-consuming to fix and re-instate. You have repeatedly flagged REXX for omission when if fact, an example (solution) of the REXX language was present in the task. This is ridiculous. If a solution provided the answer(s), then it shouldn't be marked for omission.
Previously, you had marked the REXX entry in Rank languages by popularity to be omitted because REXX doesn't have web access. Nowhere in the task requirements did it state that web access was to be used (or even necessary); indeed, the REXX section header has such a statement, and furthermore it stated how it accessed the web page data.
You further went on to delete a REXX solution three times, and changed two other REXX program solutions (within one task) so that the comments are no longer true (they had references to the deleted REXX programs), and you later added a version which was garbage; it had numerous syntax errors in the program and it even could/would not run (execute), nor produce any output. Yet you cut and pasted text, and included part of the program in the output (which was part of a comment). This act of vandalism (my opinion) has no part on Rosetta Code. Too much time and effort was spent in repairing your malicious efforts (and not just by me).
It is clear that you don't know the REXX language (not even as a beginner), and further, you apparently don't have access to a REXX interpreter, otherwise you'd have noticed how badly your version was written/coded (as far as syntax of the language).
As for the latest round of flagging, you marked REXX as incorrect (for Rosetta Code, Rank languages by popularity) you cited three reasons:
- program does not properly ranks (sic) tied counts,
- counts are not accurate,
- PARI/GL is missing.
REXX is one of two solutions (the other is Icon and Unicon), as far I can tell) that does proper ranking of tied counts, and as a matter of fact, no other solution even addresses the tied count issue.
Counts are accurate as of the time of the program execution and the numbers are obtained from the CATEGORY page and filtered through a list of languages (from the language page).
PARI/GP is in the ranking and it's ranked 30 with 358 members. Did you mean PARI/GP instead of PARI/GL? There is no PARI/GL in the Rosetta Code list of languages. -- Gerard Schildberger ([[User talk:Gerard Schildberger|talk]]) 09:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
As for the need review flagging, what is or isn't unnecessary HTML is a matter of opinion, and there is no need to flag entries on your beliefs that there is too much. What is important is the rendering of the HTML. Is it presentable? Is it readable? Is it viewable? Is it accurate?
Whether there is special MediaWiki code for formatting (or not) doesn't mean that everybody is aware of it (or not), and there is no requirement that it has to be used, and that's especially true if it isn't known how to use it properly. There is nothing wrong with making a section header as readable as possible, in whatever method is used to format it. The viewer doesn't see any of the HTML tags.
Your main thrust (as far as I can see) is to remove whitespace and make short readable lines longer, in fact, way too long. There is a reason why magazines and newspapers use columns --- to reduce line length. Shorter lines are easier to read than lines that go across the whole page. All your efforts do, in fact, is to make the section comments less readable.
There is no requirement to use special or specific MediaWiki code for formatting (regarding comments in the section headers, this is excluding the titles, versions, and the like).
It's a matter of opinion if too much unnecessary HTML is used or not. It doesn't matter, as long as the output is presentable. What was used is different than what you would use. There is no need to make a big deal of it and flag it for review. Whatever HTML tags are used, they're not part of the program and are essentially invisible to the viewer.
I feel that you may be fixated a bit too much against certain entries, there are other programming examples that specifically mention languages that aren't even languages, and yet you don't flag any of those. It appears then, your flagging is beginning to appear to border on vindictiveness. Almost all entries have inaccurate counts, as those change daily, even hourly. Who can say which counts are inaccurate? All counts will become inaccurate as new entries are added to Rosetta Code. -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not always do I share Gerard's strong opinions ( :-) ), but this time fullheartedly. As to your messing up the task mentioned above, I asked for your motivation(s) and never got an answer. Is it REXX you are up against or just Gerard??? --Walterpachl (talk)
The following has been moved from http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code/Rank_languages_by_popularity#REXX to here. In the process of moving the text here, I think some of the signature tags' times have been updated. I also added one signature of mine where it wasn't obvious who was talking. Also, the original flagged incorrect had PARI/GL instead of PARI/GP, and both I and Walter Paschl responded to that original incorrect tag text. -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 02:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Siskus, if you think REXX doesn't properly rank tied counts, show an example. (signature added.) -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 02:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
--Siskus (talk) 14:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Despite of over 350 solutions PARI/GL is not listed, Icon, C++ and PHP, ALGOL 68 are both ex aequo (Unicon, Scala and PL/SQL apparently does the job right.), too much whitespace, (I am not to only one who is complaining), using the wrong pages... In short, the REXX section and the contibutor clearly sucks...
If you think that the counts are inaccurate, show which one you think is inaccurate. -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 02:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
--Siskus (talk) 14:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC) E.g. Vim script.
- What's the point?
- In the output I see rank: 478 (tied) (1 entry) Vim Script
- Pages in category "Vim Script"
- This category contains only the following page.
- L
- Largest int from concatenated ints
- So, WHAT'S wrong?? And (again) where should PARI/GL be??? --Walterpachl (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
PARI/GL is not in the Rosetta Code languages list (on the web page). -- Gerard Schildberger (talk) 09:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
actually I see no PARI/GL but PARI/GP in rank 30 --Walterpachl (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC)