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: To facilitate the process, I've created [[Template:Draft task]], taken from observing [[User:Kevin Reid|Kevin Reid]]'s [http://rosettacode.org/mw/index.php?title=Stem-and-leaf_plot&oldid=70027 initial stages] of the [[Stem-and-leaf plot]] task. Any page this template is on will show up in [[:Category:Draft Programming Tasks]]. Ideally, pages that wind up in there should be fixed up and clarified so that they're acceptable enough to be added to the Task roster. Just about anything that's in the "Request a programming task" page that's remotely workable should be put in a draft task, where the task ideas can be refined until people can agree they're clear enough for comfortable unambiguous implementation. --[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 06:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:: ... Or removal? Hopefully we can turn a large proportion of drafts into true tasks, but others might be split, or removed as unworkable I would think. --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 08:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
::: ... Or removal. Or conversion or splitting into something useful. If something's totally unsuable, I'd probably want to shuffle it into a "dead task ideas" category, rather than erasing it. --[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 16:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:::: +1 on the dead tasks so that the reason for their rejection is kept. (Maybe rejected task category)? --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 18:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
::::: Call it "dormant". You never know if someone might figure out how to revive it usefully. --[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 20:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::: +1 --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 05:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
== Task guidelines? ==
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Moved to [[Village Pump:Home/Task creation process discussion]]
The project page asks that a task be put on the "unsorted" section, which doesn't seem to exist. What should I do? --[[User:dcsobral|Daniel Sobral]] 19:08, 03 February 2009 (UTC)
: [[Rosetta Code:Village Pump/Request a programming task#Unsorted|Added back]]; Someone (quite possibly me) must have removed it the last time it was emptied. --[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 05:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
== Assertions ==
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I'm not sure how a lot of languages work with memory allocation, but I know that a lot C++ students at my college often forget the difference between <tt>delete</tt> and <tt>delete[]</tt>. I'm not really sure how to put something like that in a task though. Something to show memory allocation and deallocation, and memory allocation on the [[system stack]] vs. the [[heap]]. It may be appropriate to talk about ways of customizing [[garbage collection]] in this task. It may take a couple of tasks, though. Anyone have a good idea of how to set it up? --[[User:Mwn3d|Mwn3d]] 22:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
: A large number of programming languages recognize the difference between heap memory and stack memory; For many of them, [[Memory Allocation]] is as fundamental as control structures. Simply creating a task dedicated to the allocation of data and objects on both types should be sufficient; The information will find its way there. --[[User:Short Circuit|Short Circuit]] 15:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:: How about ''"Create, use, then destroy a number of objects in series where the total amount of memory used by the objects if not re-used, would be comfortably more than the amount of memory available to the program"''. It does not distinguish between stack and heap but allows garbaage collected dynamic languages to give solutions too. --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 08:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
::: Whoops, there is already [Memory Allocation]. Do we need mine? --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 08:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
== Move the "Suggest a task" process? ==
I'd like to propose moving the "Suggest a Programming Task" logic over to something like a subreddit. The [http://www.reddit.com/r/rosettacodeorg/ Rosetta Code subreddit] might be appropriate. An [http://www.ideatorrent.org/ IdeaTorrent] might be good, too, but I don't want to maintain another software package on the server if I don't need to, and it looks like that project may be stagnating.
Several reasons come to mind:
# Easier debate and discussion
# More effective triaging; upvoted tasks are more likely to be implemented by people simply looking for something to do.
# RSS feed. (Always convenient)
--[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 15:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: What is a subreddit? Would I need a separate account for that? And how would it ease the discussion? Would it still support Wikilinks?
: PS: Why do I suddenly have to enter a captcha for each edit? --[[User:Ce|Ce]] 18:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:# Click on "Reddit" in the navigation bar. Or see [http://programming.reddit.com proggit] for a more active example.
:# Yes
:# Better threading, mostly. Relates to the upvote/downvote behavior.
:# I had to make the CAPTCHA behavior more aggressive in response to the increased amounts of spam we'd been seeing. Logged-in users shouldn't be seeing CAPTCHAs except in certain circmstances, though; looks like I'll have to tweak some server settings.--[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 18:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:: FWIW, Mike, I'm also seeing the CAPTCHA for every edit when logged in. --[[User:Snoman|Snoman]] 18:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::: Me too! --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 18:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::: That should be fixed; "Autoconfirmed" users (users older than a certain amount of time) should be able to skip captchas, now.--[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 00:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::::: Disabled 'skipcaptcha' for sysop group; I should see captchas, same as normal users, now.--[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 00:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::: And now the captcha doesn't appear for me. [[User:Stormneedle|Stormneedle]] 04:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Right, because you're "autoconfirmed" ... meaning your account is beyond a certain number of days old. --[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 12:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
== Re-thinking what we're doing in this page ==
Rather than trying to find a full task to be suggested, we should be looking at them as properties. So if someone wants to see Monads demonstrated, we can link to tasks that have the monad property (or examples which do). If someone wants to see "an encryption program", we can link to tasks and examples which have the 'cryptography' property. That should help us move through the task page more quickly, and give us some creative leeway in building tasks that solve some of the underlying goals of the person making the suggestion.--[[User:Short Circuit|Michael Mol]] 19:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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